Thursday, August 24, 2006

When 'progressive' becomes a bad word..

For the past year or so, I have been interacting with some people with whom I do not really share the same wavelength... we have probably been exposed to different cultures, different people and different experiences, therefore we differ in our outlook towards life, esp with respect to relationships with people..

I've spent a major part of my school days in a boarding school, co-ed at that, and that’s gone to shape a lot of the person who I am today... one is exposed to so many different types of situations, a variety of cultures, a mix of good and bad people, and that makes it a good learning ground for tolerance and understanding.. I don't claim that its the best option for education, but its got many advantages that I realise more now than I did back then!

So given this background, and the fact that I come from a culturally 'broad-minded' family, I grew up with the impression that being 'progressive' in one's outlook is a good thing.. I took it for granted that if you have a mother who is independent and strong-willed and can 'manage' things without being dependent on her husband, its a good thing.. I thought it was good that my father didn't frown at my guy-friends (that’s not a word, but anyways!!) and didn't stop me from going out and having a nice time (within boundaries of course!), that my parents didn't keep a tab on me 24 hrs of the day, and that they of course encouraged me to be financially independent and take my career seriously! These are things that most of us take for granted, if we are blessed with such understanding parents!

And the same goes for my friendships with guys.. when you've literally grown-up with guys all around you, u stop treating them as 'guys' and they become more of 'friends', and gender doesn't matter so much (in fact many a times I find it easier to relate to guys than girls, but that's another story).. one can and does forge genuine friendships with the opposite sex (lest a certain friend of mine claims this is another sexist post!), which are not based on 'love' or 'attraction' etc.. they are just plain platonic relationships, and anyone who has a problem with that is usually asked to gth.. so when a real good friend gives u a hug when you are sad/happy, its not to 'make sparks fly'!!

But some people just don't get that.. they don't understand that men and women can have genuinely good friendships.. they don't understand that just coz you danced with a guy doesn't mean you are 'easy', as long as you have kept him at arm's length! When they see a snap where ur friend has his arms around your shoulders, they can't fathom that you are not interested in each other.. if you deny any romantic involvement, they think that you are too progressive and 'let anyone take liberties with you', which is the most false claim ever! Then they look at you up and down and go "tsk tsk, this girl"... and THAT'S when you realise that for many people even today, in this day and age, such seemingly normal things are 'too open', and girls who have seen the inside of a disc, or have had a drink or two, or are ok with going to Goa with a bunch of guys (and girls, but that's not important apparently!) are 'too modern'.. and then they nod and say "iski to shaadi nahin hogi"!

To all these people, I say "grow up" and stop being such a 'punju aunty'!! If it's just me who thinks that men and women can have platonic relationships, and am too naive (yes yes I know that apparently all men have only one thing on their minds) then that’s fine with me.. my friends haven't proven me wrong, yet... if that’s too 'liberal' then what the heck, that’s how I am..

And to myself, most importantly, I say I really really need to stop interacting with these people, else I'll find my head being screwed with these narrow-minded, 18th century thoughts!! 'Progressive' is not a bad word in my dictionary (though I don't mean as "progressive" as the Page3 society either!)!

12 comments:

Manish said...

One just has to divide people into those who matter and those who dont. If 'those who dont matter' say nething, it shuld not be a bother, but its a problem when 'those who matter' are not ok with being 'progressive'

satyajit said...

If you've to interact with such people (punju aunty brigade) conversations dont necessarily have to border on issues of 'narrow-mindedness'..maybe there r other better sides to them which you'll miss if you choose not to have to do anything with them

in your last post you wrote abt generalising ppl based on singular incidents and judging them on specific traits

and bcos of that i think wat you say now appears somewhat discordant..though its true to a considerable extent in its exclusivity

S said...

''punju aunties ''........fully agree with ur choice of words to describe this breed :-)

But ...As you yourself admitted that your modern and progressive outlook is probably a result of your background and upbringing ,i think most of these punju aunties or the likes of them are a result of what they saw and experienced as part of their growing up ..so what is progressive to you may be totally unacceptable to them ..like what is totally OK with the Page 3 society is unacceptable to you ..
I am not justifying this but i think while one's outlook in life is one's own call, to a certain extent,it also gets influenced by circumstances, opportunities and events in life .
All said and done , i would suggest interact with them but don't let their ideas and views exert any sort of influence on you ....interact cos they give u so much of food for thought !!!

Still Searching said...

`manish
yes, i agree that if those who mattered felt that something is wrong, then i would really think about changing my outlook, but otherwise, its just an irritant..

`satyajit
no, i don't agree that i am generalising these people in any way, hence it is not inconsistent with my previous post.. i am merely pointing out that, in particular, their opinion about what is progressive and orthodox and therefore judging me on it is what i don't like.. i have been continuing my interaction with them for this long solely becoz there are other things about them which are ok and acceptable, but this part isn't. in anycase, if you know the 'punju aunty' variety of behaviour, u would know that people with this trait leave no stones unturned to point out negative things to u, so interacting on better sides is a little bit difficult!!

`shilpi
yes, i know.. this post is just my way of declaring that i don't care.. it doesn't mean those people have to change, its just that i don't accept this "criticism" from them, and by writing this post i am merely thinking aloud, and telling myself that it doesn't matter what they think.. its not about right or wrong..

Vogon Interpreter!! said...

usually i never say "same as.. or ditto"..
but yes.. i will make an exception ..:D Ruchika i agree with you.. wht uve put down there is more or less wht id have liked to write... so i say ditto..

addin on one more thing the "punju aunty" types mite be vocal intheir opinion.. and say it.. ive encountered educated idiots(guys hwo couldbe sittin in teh Ivy league classes) of my age.. (supposedly not too old :)).. who inspite of all the wonderful education bestowed on them still tend to act/think like the "punju auntys"... and decide sumthin is goin on jus coz i have a hand on a girls shoulder... orthe girl is an "easy"one.. damn them.. and why why are we men spared from such slanderous classification.... after all he is then a casanova.. and the lady.. wht of her..!!

oh my lead me away from thei bigoted society.. let me live in peace... all i need is an island.. Robinson crusoe was lucky fr sum time.. atleast until he decided to managed to get back to civilization.. oops what civilization???
ahhhhhhh,... the needle's eye would be broader than their minds..!!

Anonymous said...

its something i have heard of a lot from some of my friends... they have guy friends (as u put it) and thats the end...
one ofthem even had to hear abt it from her fiance's parents... and its a topic of discussion in the society she lived in while growing up...

its madness... why it is anyone's bsiness is something i could never quite comprehend... and yes.. avoiding them might help u in the short term.. but in the long term.. they need to learn... and there is nothing u can do abt it....

Mukesh Marwah said...

Good blogs....impressive

manish said...

Hi,

This reminds me of that famous quote,which says it all :-)

"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who matter don't care and those who care don't matter.

Still Searching said...

`vogon interpreter
well thats good to see someone has made you fully agree with them! Hehehehe.. I also share the same frustration/concern over the reactions of such closed-minded people, but I am afraid there will always be such people around us all the time! That's why they say its difficult to find like-minded people in this world..

`anon
yes, that worst is that these sort of misinterpretations can cause harm to the relationships/friendships sometimes, though if the understanding is good between 2 people then it doesnt generally happen.. hopefully!

`mukesh
thanks :-)

`manish
Though in this particular context I totally agree with you that we should be who we are without caring about the opinion of those who don't matter, its not always that we should be stubborn and not change! :-)) Though its true, as my Guru (Sri Sri Ravi Shankar) says "Do not be a football of other people's opinions"!

Anonymous said...

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Y? said...

It's so true that you make sense of what RV was all about when you leave and it's like your constantly learning from it...
and the generalizations, I feel , are because women are always judged in relation to men. If a woman was free, financially independent with a lot of guy friends(damn!) and worse still she smokes!! and drinks!! how will she ever fit into the narrow domestic space reserved for her with 'good'indianboy. she surely is 'loose' , 'easy' whatever

Still Searching said...

`amit
thanks.. i guess you noticed that i linked to u! :-)

`y?
I know.. u're still figuring out that half the things you are is becoz u were there, with those people, talking about that, doing that etc etc..
yes a big part of this bias comes from the fact that you're a woman doing all these things, where as you should have been sitting pretty, not talking too much and definitely not being too pally with guys, esp if its actions like giving them a hug or holding their hand to comfort them (or be comforted) etc etc etc.. basic issue is that for men its 'macho' and for women its 'loose' and thats as far as the society is willing to look..